A frank conversation about how and why politicians lie and how we might change their behavior, with two experts on the subject: Bill Adair, the Pulitzer-winning author of the new book "Beyond the Big Lie," and Nina Jankowicz, a globally recognized expert on disinformation who was the target of many lies when she headed the Biden administration's Disinformation Governance Board. They will discuss the epidemic of political lying, the consequences for targets like Jankowicz, and how we could change the ecosystem so politicians have fewer incentives to lie.