Rene Magritte famously painted a picture of a pipe, with the text, “Ceci n’est pas une pipe.” (this is not a pipe). This panel will discuss the benefits and limitations of using volumetric video, which records a person as they were in the moment, and digital doubles, avatars that represent a form of who we are as we wish to be. One delivers the authenticity of a video stream; the other the power of plasticity, delivering our inner state as much as our outer state while also being interactive, whether driven by a person or by AI.